Did I have “Taylor Swift gives her most revealing interview in years on a boyfriend’s sports/sourdough podcast” on my late summer 2025 bingo card? No, no I did not. Like many things this week, I was not prepared and yet here we are.

Less than 48 hours after teasing her new album, Tay revealed the cover of The Life of a Showgirl as well as shared its release date (Oct 3 aka Mean Girls day which is its own kind of poetry) and revealed the fact title track will feature a collab with her tourmate Sabrina Carpenter (Taybrina!).
The Life of a Showgirl will also be available to order in the “Sweat and Vanilla Perfume” edition, the “It’s Frightening” edition, the “It’s Rapturous” edition and the “It’s Beautiful” edition. Each version features different artwork and photo cards as well as a jewelry box with a different collectible charm bracelet so start saving now.
And here’s what else we learned…

On why orange: It’s just because she likes it, duh. “It feels like kind of energetically how my life has felt,” she said about this new era.
On her green flag with Travis: *grabs pen/takes notes* A huge green flag is that Travis has had the same friends since he was probably four years old, and he’s incredibly good at maintaining friendships and is so loyal and his friends are equally loyal and the funniest, most hilarious group of people.”
On numerology: Travis pointed out that 87 (his Kansas City Chiefs jersey numbe) is his number and 13 is Swift’s. Add em up and you get 100. Just leaving this here.
On current obsessions: “I love to paint, I love to cook. Right now, we’re very deep in a sourdough obsession that has taken over my life. She’s currently mastering “funfetti sourdough” for her girls at the moment and we need the recipe (which, OK, sounds awful and amazing at the same time).
On “Red”: “When it came time to doing Taylor’s Version and rerecording the album I went back in, found the verses, restructured the song to the way that it pretty much was when I had originally written it. That song is one of my favorite things I’ve ever done.” Same, girl, same.
On learning she got her masters back: “I get a call from my mom and she’s like, ‘You got your music.’ It’s literally been so long since this happened, and it’s every time I talk about it….I just like very dramatically hit the floor for real. Honestly, just started like bawling my eyes out, and I’m just like weeping.” And now I’m crying.
On being a non-sporty sports fan: “I grew up in Pennsylvania. I always heard my dad yelling at the screen, watching Eagles games. That was always the sports sounds I heard in my house. However, I was up on my room playing guitar, learning instruments, playing piano. I was focused on different things. I was like so laser-focused on music, and that’s how I was in school.” So our girl is sticking in the stands: She’s “not an athlete” and “never will be.”
On saving your sanity: “If your algorithm is giving you either criticism of yourself or adulation or praise, you’re creating an ecosystem in which you’re the centerpiece of the table. And I just don’t think that’s healthy. Like that’s not the way I want to move through the world. So I do detach from the internet in a huge way. I have had my comments disabled on Instagram for like 10 years now? And I don’t miss it.”
On why spill all this on “New Heights”: “Hopefully people never thought that we’d go on this podcast and announce an album. I was hoping that that’s something that the fans would be like ‘That’s from left field.’” Jason joked in response. “Wow she went on with those two idiots to release this?” I mean, maybe it crossed our minds…

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